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Original: 5/3/2006 9:33 AM
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Wednesday, May 03, 2006

What did He mean?

 

'I am the way, the truth and the light; no man 

cometh unto the Father but by Me.'

 (John 14:6)

 

this is a fundamental part of the Christian religion.  however, theologians have come up with three different interpretations of this very fundamental passage.

 

First:  this means that we can only obtain salvation through knowing and coming into a relationship with Jesus Christ.  This is the traditional view held by many Christians, especially evangelical Christians. simply put, if you do not believe in Jesus, you cannot obtain salvation.

 

Second:  Jesus meant that we had to live our lives, or at least do our best, in the way that He did.  there is ambiguity in this view on the level of success needed to obtain salvation.  i don't believe that this philosophy is very strong; it seems to be a weak interpretation.

 

Third:  this last view basically starts with the fact that none of us are worthy to get to the Father.  we are all sinner and there is nothing that we can do that would make us worthy for Him or for heaven.  BUT God is merciful and has sent his son to take the fall for our sinful nature.  in the above quote, Jesus is noting that it is through Him, and through Him only, that we are able to get to God.  this does not necessarily require belief in Him because Jesus has already taken the punishment for us. 

 

i just wanted to stimulate some discussion from my (few) blog readers.  i'm fairly certain that nick and david will comment but i hope that others join in as well.

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Its definitely the first one. If salvation doesnt require belief in Jesus, (as in the third interpretation) does that mean that through Christ everyone is automatically saved no matter what?  That contradicts scripture.

Posted 5/3/2006 9:29 PM by still_Wondering_still - reply

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She is right, the only way we can get salvation is if we ask for it. If it was just given to us because He died, then we wouldn't have free will and anyone could do whatever they wanted and just say, "but He died, so it's okay" Jesus' death formed a new covinent (basically read Hebrews 12...) We have to become like Jesus, but since we are sinners we can't ever fully become like Him until we give up ourselves, freely give our free will to conform to Jesus.

yay!

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There are good things and bad things about the fact that Jesus spoke in parables. Sometimes it makes it hard for every one to agree on the meanings. Glancing through my Bible, I found some scriptures that I hadn't been thinking of when I wrote my first post. I was thinking of some, but I found some others. I dont know if they count as "direct" contradictions, but I still think they contradict that third option.

John 12:44-50    v.47-50 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very last word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say."

Then there's John 11:25-26    "Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who BELIEVES in me will LIVE, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

He didnt say everyone will live, but whoever believes... Let's see....

Ephesians 2:8-9  "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast."

Grace through faith...

One question is, why would Jesus have spent so much time trying to get people to believe in Him if it didnt matter whether they believed or not? Why would he have given the great commission calling us to go and make disciples? Why would the apostles have started churches? What is the Holy Spirit for? None of these things would be relevant if, since Christ already died, everyone is going to Heaven.     I hope this is satisfactory.  Its funny, I stumbled across  your site and decided to post because you said "i just wanted to stimulate some discussion from my (few) blog readers." plus your entry about missions was intriguing.      Anyway, have a nice day! :)

Posted 5/5/2006 9:55 AM by still_Wondering_still - reply

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Hey man, it's been months since I've been on your site. I'm really glad you are seeking God and asking these questions. I would agree wiht Still Wondering on this one.



Romans 10 says 13 "for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom R510 they have not heard? And how will they hear without a R511 preacher? 15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!"
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My point with my above post is to say that saving faith comes from 1. believing which comes from 2. hearing which comes from 3. someone preaching, which comes from 4. those who are sent(Christians).

I believe that Jesus wants> everyone to be saved, but that salvation comes from faith. Without faith, there is no salvation. In that way, God is saying that he is exclusive. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love the world, he does, he just isn't going to force us into a saving relationship with him. At the same time it shows the urgency for us to share the good news of salvation with everyone else.

What do you think?
Posted 5/12/2006 4:16 PM by groovingdan - reply

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Brad, I posted more on this conversation on my blog. I'd really like to hear more about what you have to say. Thanks for the conversation!
Dan

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Posted 5/17/2006 4:04 PM by groovingdan - reply


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